TOPIC: What are the specs on the 425?

Re:What are the specs on the 425? 16 years 9 months ago #2029

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Originally Posted by invincible
Yes, but would it beat a coupe Deville? being that the coupe is lighter. If so thats just sad, a small block out running a 425.
No, it's not sad, it's a fuel-injected small-block with 9.3:1 compression (9.8 in '91 and '92) versus a total smogger tiny big block with low compression. Can't really compare the two, but other factors, as has been mentioned many times play a big part.
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Re:What are the specs on the 425? 16 years 9 months ago #2030

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Originally Posted by SadEyes
a 350 will beat a 425? Gosh, I'd hope so... but only by .4 seconds? Come on guys, with atleast 11 years advancement in car and engine deisgn, a whole extra gear and 3.08 gears vs. 2.28, I would sure hope it'd be faster.
I don't want this to turn into a Cad vs. Chev war, but I see the argument from the other side. An engine with as large a stroke as a 425 only has 320 ft. lbs? Really, a 425 is like an overbored 350 with a 4.06\" stroke. Shouldn't the 425 be walking all over the 350, even with 2.28 gears?
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Re:What are the specs on the 425? 16 years 9 months ago #2031

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I don't want this to turn into a Cad vs. Chev war, but I see the argument from the other side. An engine with as large a stroke as a 425 only has 320 ft. lbs? Really, a 425 is like an overbored 350 with a 4.06\" stroke. Shouldn't the 425 be walking all over the 350, even with 2.28 gears?
Lets keep in mind shes got 8.2:1 compression, is almost the smallest, least powerful big block Cad.... in a time when the industry was moving from gas guzzling beasts to smaller more fuel efficent engines.... meaning, the enigne had alot of smog control devices, all very early systems so it wasn't really made to work with it well...

The 425 isn't some magical engine in itself... but it holds its own, and its got lots and lots of potential as well. Personally, IMO, the big block Cads are the best gasoline V8's made.... thats just how I feel, I personally never gave much thought into the Chevy enignes.... you just see them all over... how many 350's can you look at, at a car show before one becomes like the last? For that reason I am always looking at the oddbals... Caddy V8's if there are any... Olds etc... even the stright 6's, slant 6's etc.... I get tired of seeing the same thing. I also don't think a SBC should be in a fullsize Cad... the only exception being the '93-'96 Fleet, with the LT1... and even then, it was the only engine at the time worty of being used in that configuration...

Gotta realize that the 425 and the 350 were serving 2 different purposes... the 425 was downsied, de-powered and made more fuel efficent and emmission happy then compared to the 500 that came form before it... so performance was on a steady path down.... by 1990, performance started to pick back up, so they used the 305 and 350..... so on one side you have a car with an engine that has a steady performance drop, and on the otherside, and engine with a steady performance boost..... really, if more power wan'ts the issue, then I am sure GM would have stuck with the Olds 307 for 2 more years.... the the fact that despite all that, the 425 was on a trend to decrease performance while the 350 was on a trend to increase performance speaks about its power as well.

Would I never own a '90-'92 350 brougham? of course not, I think they are very nice cars, and given the era, it was a fitting engine. If I had a 350 Brougham, would I swap a 500 in? honestly... probably not, I would just work with the 350.... but idealy, yeah, I'd want a 500..... there is something about big block Cads that are so different then any other engine.... from the way they look, their made, how they run, what they can do, how to build one up and everything.
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Re:What are the specs on the 425? 16 years 9 months ago #2032

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Just think if they kept the 425 around until 1991, back when performance was coming back..what kinda power that would have made?! A lot more than the 350 at that time. Just think... a 425 with throttle body injection and the same compression ratio as that 350.

-OR-

How about a '79 Cadillac with a '79 Chevy 350?? Weak!


And yes , the LT1 is a godsend!
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Re:What are the specs on the 425? 16 years 9 months ago #2033

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big block Cads would have never made it thru the years...

but if they did, like the 454 and 460... into the early 90's.... that would be pretty sweet.

'79 Seville had an (Olds?) FI 350.... smaller and lighter car, performance wasn't too bad.

seeing as how a stock 500 is putting out 300hp and 420ft-lbs of torque (real numbers) there is lots that can be done to boost the power... I woudln't really bother with the 425 in that aspect... just because at the time, they big blocks were being phased out..... but the 425 is still a great bargin.... and it did manage to get resonable fuel mileage too... 13/18mpg isn't all *that* bad considering everything.... my friends '00 Tundra gets the same exact mileage....
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Re:What are the specs on the 425? 16 years 9 months ago #2034

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Oh I meant '79 deVille, but the weight is pretty much the same as the Sevilles.

If they could have kept the 425 or 500 thru the '80s and into the '90s, I doubt it would have been used in the Caddies, except mayyyybe the Brougham. They would have probably used it in the Heavy Duty trucks, but they had the 454 so they don't need another big block.

I wonder what kind of real numbers the 425 is putting out? 230hp and 350 lb/ft sounds reasonable, considering the 500 made 300/420.
And 13/18 isn't terrible nowadays when comparing it to a truck. Besides, its mechanically more like a truck than a modern car anyways.
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